Michael Yarish/AMC Jessica Paré and Jon Hamm in a scene from the season premiere of âMad Men.â LOS ANGELES - With every ad campaign won or lost by Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce, every whiskey swigged, every cigarette smoked and every errant lipstick stain that turns up on the wrong collar, âMad Menâ draws nearer to its end. That AMC period drama begins its second to last season on Sunday with a two-hour premiere. As audiences prepare to get reacquainted with Don Draper, the enigmatic executive played by Jon Hamm, and his colleagues and family, Matthew Weiner, the âMad Menâ creator and show runner, isnât taking any victory laps.
Frank Ockenfels 3/AMC Matthew Weiner Having spent his hiatus directing his first feature film, âYou Are Here,â an independent comedy with Owen Wilson, Amy Poehler and Zach Galifianakis, Mr. Weiner returned to his usual challenges on âMad Men,â battling to keep the narrative fresh and the budget intact. Despite his penchant for secrecy, Mr. Weiner could not prevent the leak of a subplot about Draper and his wife, Megan (Jessica Paré), traveling to Hawaii. And he was stunned when âMad Men,â which won the Emmy for outstanding drama in each of its first four seasons, was shut out at last Septemberâs ceremony.
Still, a recent breakfast interview found Mr. Weiner in a cautiously optimistic mood as Season 6 DVDs began to make the rounds. (Not that heâs going to discuss their contents in advance.) In these edited excerpts from that conversation, he talks about preparations for a new year of âMad Men,â the differences between his film and television experiences and how he is thinking about the end of the 1960s.
Q.
Was it any easier creating a two-hour premiere for the show after having done it last season
A.
This time it was a little harder because I did it under duress. AMC insisted on it - I could either do it for the premiere or for the finale. And you know how I react to being forced to do stuff. [laughs]
Q.
The previous season concluded with Don having an ambiguous interaction with a woman who is not his wife. Does that represent any kind of promise to the audience to pick up where you left off
A.
When the season ends, thatâs the end of the show for me. Iâm out of stuff. I never know whatâs going to be the tension in between the seasons. I didnât know that after Season 3 the audience would not be convinced that Don was divorced. As soon as I heard, âWill he get divorcedâ Iâm like, well, I guess they donât know. Thatâs the tension. âWill he start a new agencyâ I guess thatâs the tension. What I start hearing over the break starts to inform where I start the next year.
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What did you hear from viewers during this hiatus
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I was making a movie in North Carolina and seeing who knew the show and how much entrée I got into peopleâs homes for shooting. I was recognized there, which Iâm not in Los Angeles so much. [laughs] Hearing what people expected or what they thought was going to happen, a lot of it, obviously, is about that last moment - a lot of it was also realizing in the last moment that the season had been about Don and Megan. Even in the writersâ room last year, we had to reframe our storytelling so people understood that when we were telling a story about Megan, we were telling a story about Don.
Q.
Did you learn anything from making the movie that you brought back to the show
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There were a lot of things that I appreciated about the show after the movie, in terms of having this long-term relationship with my actors, and feeling I donât have to earn a level of respect with them. They have a problem, they talk to me about it. I donât feel threatened. For the most part theyâre excited when they get a script, we all feel like itâs a privilege to be working together. Itâs not like that on a movie. I donât care if youâre going back to make the third âBack to the Future,â itâs still, like, âWhat are we doingâ I did have some fantasy that making a movie would be more luxurious, in terms of time and lifestyle. And directing a movie is not luxurious. Itâs the exact same thing.
Q.
Had you wrapped the movie before you started work on Season 6
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I finished the movie on June 29, my birthday. We went on a trip with the family for two weeks, which I donât remember. I was really in a fog. And then I opened the [writersâ] room again, and started fighting with the studio for money about a week later. [laughs] Thatâs my job.
Q.
What was this fight about
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The cast had finally been paid. I felt very comfortable with the idea that everybody who put in their time on the show for nothing, at the beginning, had now gotten the rewards that they hoped they would get. But then there was a desire to say, O.K., weâre not just going to accept the fact that the show costs more money. It has to come from somewhere, and I have to do my thing where I say, Iâm not making the show any cheaper than I make the show.
Q.
Were you disappointed that âMad Menâ went from winning four Emmys in a row for dramatic series to winning none at all last year
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Iâm a human being. Itâs an honor to be nominated, we won a ton. I thought, I guess in my heart, that it would taper off. Not end abruptly like that. We won so much. But yeah, it was a hard night. And honestly, itâs hard for me to watch even an episode from any season of the show and think that Jon Hammâs never been recognized. How has Elisabeth Moss not been recognized It was a bummer. It was a bad night. It was unpleasant.
Q.
It shows you how quickly âMad Menâ went from an underdog to having an air of inevitability.
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I was watching the Oscars, and I saw Jennifer Lawrence on the steps, and I thought: That was the perfect acceptance speech. How do you avoid the envy and appearing arrogant How do you say the perfect thing, now that youâre not an underdog anymore I donât think she did it on purpose, but you see that and see how she behaves, and youâre like, it could not go any better than that. If I was writing an acceptance speech, I would have it start with someone falling off the steps.
Q.
As someone with a mortal distaste for spoilers, how did you feel when photos from the âMad Menâ shoot in Hawaii were published in the press
A.
It was a big deal to go there. We knew it was impossible to keep it quiet, and I was bummed that it happened that soon. Literally, when we set up the first light. I thought it was going to take a couple weeks - obviously somebody got tipped off. Itâs so expensive to shoot a foot of film, or whatever weâre shooting it on now, that everything has to matter. Thatâs the most important thing to me, that people watch the show and have that experience with their curiosity. And once you are relieved, and you know the story already, you can go back and read âMike Mulligan and His Steam Shovelâ the second time and you know heâs not going to die. [laughs]
Q.
Itâs no secret that Peggy Olson is back this season -
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I told people that she was.
Q.
- and Betty Francis also has a substantial arc in the premiere. Were you trying to shine a light on characters that viewers thought might be in jeopardy
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I see them as characters. I do not count their screen time. I learned this from David Chase: you get bored of the character, and you want the audience to be bored of them. You want to parcel it out so that, O.K., you had a lot of cello this week, next week is about drums. Don always has to have a story, and he has to have a business story and he has to have a personal story, but thereâs no rules for the rest of it. I donât want to just check in on everybody. My whole thing is, whoâs the most interesting to me, and what goes with Donâs story I was interested in the shift in the period, in showing Bettyâs life, where it is and where she fits into the world.
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Having spent all these years immersed in the 1960s, did you find it ironic that when David Chase, your mentor on âThe Sopranos,â made his first movie, âNot Fade Away,â it was also a â60s period piece
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I talked to him quite a bit about the film and Iâm a huge fan of it. Davidâs process is so arduous to begin with. To explain the difference between the joy and the compulsion is really hard. When I was in North Carolina, and David was finishing his movie, I spoke to him on the phone, and I talked to my wife afterwards and she said, âYou guys just keep sticking your neck out there.â My wifeâs an architect, so she definitely has a very high-risk artistic profession and she gets the idea that youâre really sensitive, you really care what people think, you have a low threshold for criticism, and you keep making this [stuff] and putting it out there for people to react to. Itâs like asking why people do heroin when they know it will kill them. I gotta give up at some point.