Jeeves in P.G. Wodehouse books. Hobson in âArthur.â Hudson in âUpstairs, Downstairs.â
But is Carson in âDownton Abbeyâ the most beloved butler of all?
âPeople do seem to take to Carson â" because an English butler is an iconic role, isnât it?â Jim Carter said in his sonorous baritone, musing with requisite British modesty on his characterâs popularity.
With his upper lip as stiff as his starched collar, Carson stands watch over the Crawley family with a mix of hauteur and humility: meeting the gaze of his employer, Lord Grantham, square on, while accepting his place in the hierarchy.
The role has earned Mr. Carter, 65, two Emmy nominations for supporting actor in a drama series. He will attend Sundayâs ceremony with his wife, Imelda Staunton, who is nominated for supporting actress in a mini-series or a movie for her portrayal of Alfred Hitchcockâs wife in âThe Girlâ on HBO.
In a phone interview, Mr. Carterâ" whose substantial resume includes productions at the National Theater and the Royal Shakespeare Company and films like âShakespeare in Loveâ and âMy Week With Marilynâ â" unleashed the occasional un-Carson-like guffaw as he spoke about the man inside the tailcoat; the seriesâs popularity; and what excites him at this point in his career. These are edited excerpts from the conversation:
Q.
Howâs the weather in London today?
A.
Itâs cold, and Iâm sorely exhausted because I run the Hampstead Cricket Club, and I had a big event yesterday. Iâm just lying around the house absolutely useless today.
Q.
Your Emmy submission, Episode 8, is centered on Downton Abbeyâs annual cricket match with the village. How are you as a player?
A.
Oh, rubbish. Absolutely rubbish. But you wouldnât expect the chairman of American Airlines to fly the plane, would you? Itâs an amateur cricket club, but we play at a very high level, just one level under the professional level. So as chairman I do all the behind-the-scenes stuff and I let the players play. But itâs a great antidote, a bit of real life. And weâve won the league for the first time in our history, so weâre very pleased with ourselves.
Episode 8 was lovely partly because it was cricket, of course, and also one of my lads from the cricket club came down and doubled up for one of the actors because heâs a good cricketer and the actor wasnât. And it was the first time in three series that Iâd been able to dress myself because, with all those studs and shirtfronts and stiff collars and bow ties, I always have someone help me get dressed.
Q.
Season 4 is about to be broadcast in Britain. What are we going to look forward to?
A.
I canât tell you anything. [laughs] More of the same. Romance â" will she? Wonât she? Will they fall in love? The whole point is not knowing. Well, of course, itâs no surprise that we start at a fairly low point, with the death of Matthew, which was very shocking in England because that episode was shown on Christmas Day. People were furious and poor old Julian Fellowes got hate mail because he ruined their Christmas, all because of Dan Stevens [wanting to pursue a film career]. Then, as he said, perhaps Dan did him a favor in a funny way because itâs quite difficult to dramatize happiness. Itâs much easier to dramatize tragedy and conflict, isnât it? So thereâs where start from, with the mourning for Matthew, and the whole house is obviously affected by that. And then we pick up the pace and romance comes along possibly, he said.
Q.
For you?
A.
Not for me. Carsonâs too old. Mind you, I think everybody wants Carson and Mrs. Hughes to â" yeah, itâs got to happen, hasnât it, really?
Q.
Has there been a discussion of it?
A.
Well, we donât get to discuss much of it. We sort of get presented with the scripts. I have dropped very, very heavy-handed hints that Carson and Mrs. Hughes should ride off into the sunset together. But thatâs the kind of thing weâll save for the very end of the whole thing. Because in real life the butler and the housekeeper were always unmarried. So weâll have to wait until weâre ready to retire.
It boggles the imagination, doesnât it? Because ideally, my fantasy â" Jim Carterâs fantasy â" is that Carson and Mrs. Hughes would sedately get married and have a little cottage on the estate. But could you imagine what itâs like? Heâd still call her Mrs. Hughes, because Carsonâs so English. And what kind of husband would he be? He knows how to decant wine, but I canât imagine that he knows how to do anything else very practical around the house. But maybe heâd be perfect. I donât know.
Q.
Donât you think that underneath all that formality is kind of a lion?
A. Hmm. A pussycat, I think. We do hear in this series that once upon a time did beat a romantic heart in Carsonâs chest. A figure comes up from his past and there was a little romance way back, but itâs deeply buried now. Mrs. Hughes is very sweet. She tries to remind him of it, and she encourages him to remember it and talk about it. Have you seen any of Series 4? Oh, youâve got an exclusive!
I donât know if you remember back in Series 1 there was a chap turned up, who â" Carson to his shame had been in a music hall dancing and singing act called the Cheerful Charlies way, way back. And his old partner re-emerges in very bad times, just bringing back memories of Carsonâs younger self. And after that my lips are sealed. [laughs]
Q.
I understand that in the first episode Carson comforts Mary to the point of overstepping.
A.
Carson is sort of like a second father to Mary. Thatâs how he sees himself, anyway. And I loved that moment in Series 3 when Mary came down the stairs in her wedding dress, and her father and Carson were waiting at the bottom and both looking at her so fondly. And this is not giving anything away at all, but Mary is in deep mourning, and Carson is sort of persuaded to probably overstep the mark by saying itâs time for her to pull herself together. And initially she tells him, âThatâs too personal, youâve gone too far.â But then she listens to what he said. And itâs funny because those little intimate moments are very precious because everybody was so formal and so aware of boundaries.
Q.
I imagine Carson is the role with which youâre most identified. Iâve read that Chinese state TV is now broadcasting the series.
A.
Iâve told this story before but last winter I went cycling in Cambodia, in the temple of Angkor Wat, in the jungle, in my unpleasant cycling gear, and I was recognized by a group of Chinese tourists. I thought, âThatâs very odd.â
Q.
Youâre married to Imelda Staunton. Do you perform together often?
A.
We met in âGuys and Dollsâ way back in â82. Because we had a daughter [Bessie] 19 years ago who started at drama school today â" itâs her first day today, isnât that lovely? Weâre dying to find out how sheâs doing. And so because we had a daughter and we really didnât want to have child care, weâve always juggled work around each other. We take work on its own merits, really. And we both have slightly different agendas as actors.
Q.
Do you feel competitive with your wife?
A.
Not in the slightest. Weâre both very supportive of each other. Of course, Imeldaâs so much better than me that Iâd be in a very bad place if I felt competitive.
Q.
Itâs your second nomination. Is it still exciting for you?
A.
Uh, Kathryn, Iâve been acting for 40-odd years. I get excited about cricket and gardening.