Because making music is, at heart, a formidable acting job, in which the performer projects a stage persona that may not be much like what he or she is like offstage, public interviews with musicians can be a gamble. One way around that is to find a couple of players who come from different musical worlds, yet have things in common that might not be immediately apparent, and let them quiz each other for 90 minutes. And you can rig the game by choosing musicians who are secret scholars of musical arcana, and who enjoy a bit of musicological sparring. That was the Public Theaterâs strategy on Tuesday evening, when it presented the first installment of its Public Forum series at the Skirball Center for the Performing Arts, at New York University.
In one corner, wearing a burgundy pullover and clocking in at 60 years old was David Byrne, the front man and composer of Talking Heads, who has gone on to a remarkably varied career since the bandâs breakup in 1991, and whose latest project is a show based on his 2010 album âHere Lies Love,â to be staged at the Public in April. In the other, sporting a grey sweater with a large, colorful heart pin and a metal comb stuck in his anarchic Afro, was Ahmir Thompson, better known as Questlove, the 42-year old drummer for the eclectic Philadelphia hip-hop and soul group the Roots, which performs nightly as the house band on âLate Night With Jimmy Fallon.â
Both were there in other capacities, too. Mr. Byrne is the author of âHow Music Works,â a thick volume of musical reflections that was available, in a huge stack of autographed copies, in the foyer outside the hall. Questlove - or, as the moderator, Jeremy McCarter addressed him, at one point, Professor Questlove - is currently teaching a course on classic albums at NYU. He was engaged for that job, as h explained during the forum, after he responded, firmly but patiently, to a dismissive review of a Public Enemy album by a young National Public Radio intern.
Mr. Byrneâs book and Questloveâs course yielded the first potential fault line: hadnât Mr. Byrne suggested, in his book, that the creation and adoration of revered musical canon was a bad thing Well, not exactly, Mr. Byrne said. He was âgoing after classical music,â not the pop canon that Questlove is teaching. And even at that, he said, âthereâs some classical music that I really love, and some that I donât get and I donât think I will ever get.â What he! really o! bjects to, in fact, is âthe subliminal thing going on, that listening to that music instead of the pop music I listened to, would make you a better person. It became this class thing.â
It was left to Questlove to defend the classics, which he did in an unusual way, noting that he had studied classical music, with his fatherâs encouragement, and had been accepted to the Juilliard School, but decided to work with his rap group instead.
âItâs funny you say that,â he told Mr. Byrne, referring to the class issue, âbecause I had a teacher who could speak both languages. And I remember when we first started studying Stravinsky - the class trip was going to see âRite of Springâ - and he finally found a way to explain it to us.â His technique He described Stravinsky as the Public Enemy of classical music. âFor those who are unfamiliar with Public Enemyâs music,â Questlove added, donning his professorâs cap, âthey wanted to be musicâs worst nigtmare, the hip-hop version of the Sex Pistols. Just cramming in samples one on top of the other until it didnât sound like music anymore, it just sounded like a mess. They wanted their music to give that experience where, âthis is what itâs like in the inner city.â Once he explained it to us, we couldnât wait.â
From there, the discussion wandered freely through musical philosophy and history. Mr. Byrne worried about the professionalization of music - the idea that young people were being discouraged from making music for the love of it, and being taught that there was a professional class of musician whose job it is to create music, and a consumer class, whose job it is to listen. He and Questlove wandered through the creation of the New Wave scene in the late 1970s (Talking Heads enjoyed being part of it for a while, but later chafed at being categorized) and Questloveâs creation of a Philadelphia hip-hop movement, based on live jamming, 20 years later (he believed that the only ! way to cr! eate momentum was to bring like-minded but competing musicians together).
They talked about reviews: Talking Heads was eager to read them, but Mr. Byrne now waits a year; Questlove checks his computer regularly to see how his projects are being rated. They mused on the nature of success (Questlove, speaking of the Roots, said, âwe were never platinumâ - meaning, huge sellers - âso our saving grace was our critical acclaimâ) and about the genesis of Talking Headsâ âbig suitâ (it was the result of a Japanese fashion designerâs comment about everything being bigger onstage). Questlove marveled at the way techniques used in Mr. Byrneâs 1981 collaboration with Brian Eno, âMy Life in the Bush of Ghosts,â anticipated techniques used in hip-hop. And he held forth amusingly on his own long campaign, so far unsuccessful, to get Bill Withers to collaborate with him.
Probably the most striking moments of the discussion, though, were Questloveâs theories about musical education. One should, he argued, start young: he recently loaded up a couple of iPods for a friend with a new baby, and attached it to speakers around the childâs crib. He would not say what was on the playlist, apart from Captain Beefheart and Frank Zappa, but he asked his friend to play the music around the clock. As for advice for older students, sought by a teacher in the audience, he took a strikingly traditional stand.
âIâm never that âfollow you dreamsâ guy,â Questlove said. âBecause some peopleâs dreams will get realized, and some dreams won! ât get ! realized, so I kind of feel itâs dismissive - âOh! Follow your dreams, kid, see you later!â My radical advice is simple: you have to practice, and you have to be organized. Which I know also sounds rather like bland, dismissive advice, but I think itâs true. If you look at all of historyâs great figures, itâs discipline, practice, organization.â